frame sliders from ebay? [Archive]

freefall23

02-20-2008, 02:10 PM

Im looking into getting some frame sliders but I dont wanna get crap so ebay may be sketchy.. My bike catalogue has "roller protectors" for $215 but it doesnt say where they get mounted but I found some "bonafide" yamaha sliders on ebay for $18.. The problem being they look quite different from each other..
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130199255905&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:Watchlink:middle:us
Has anyone had any experience with bike parts off ebay? Ive bought tons of other stuff off it but nothing serious.. They look like theyd work.. Its for my FZ6 :)
Its just a huge price difference but them bike covers are above $100 in the catalogue vs $50 online (no logo tho)

ridingAK

02-20-2008, 02:27 PM

It's hard to tell, but the guy has a good rating... Dakar's SO is the master of e-bay, Dakar to the white phone.

KCDakar

02-20-2008, 02:54 PM

It looks like they just bolt into the frame engine mounting point.

Can you post a link to the ones you were first looking at?

freefall23

02-20-2008, 03:03 PM

the first ones were in the yamaha catalogue.. if this works, I tracked it down :
http://www.yamaha-motor.ca/accessories/accessory_details.php?item=3156&group=M&model=1774

Lucky_Devil

02-20-2008, 03:11 PM

There are MANY slider options for the FZ... and most are in the $50 - $75 range. I have MotoVation frame and swingarm sliders on my FZ.

Some brands:

Shogun
LSL
MotoVation
Uncaged

there are more, but these were the only ones I could remember off the top of my head.

Those eBay ones look really long to me. The danger (I think) with ones that extend out that far is their tendency to want to bend/break instead of grinding down in the event of a lowside. The general rule of thumb for frame sliders is: for actual crashing, shorter is generally better. for parking lot tip overs and the like, longer is generally better.

KCDakar

02-20-2008, 03:24 PM

Wow that is how much?

$215, $18, $215, $18

OK I have to admit I have never seen the ones for $215. The type that you are looking at on Ebay I see all the time on the street and at the track.

Have you gone to your dealer and asked them what they think?

KCDakar

02-20-2008, 03:28 PM

Like LD said they are long. The longer ones are usually the ones you put on faringed bikes so they are long enough to go through the faring and still protect the bike.

freefall23

02-21-2008, 02:31 PM

swingarm sliders likkkkkke.. .THIS?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Swingarm-Sliders-Spools-II-YAMAHA-YZF-R1-R6-FZ1-FZ6-T_W0QQitemZ370023862424QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item370 023862424
Theyre even less money so Im kinda stoked lol.. If thats all I need, on your gals' good word, Im getting them :D:D

Lucky_Devil

02-21-2008, 03:20 PM

Those swingarm sliders wont work on the FZ. It appears from the pics on the eBay listing that they install with a bolt into a special hole on the swingarm. The FZ doesn't have this mounting point on the swingarm. You have to install them through the rear axle.

like this:

http://www.motovationusa.com/mvstore/images/fz6RFS2.jpg

Swingarm sliders are only meant to protect the swingarm from damage should you crash, and will not offer the same protection that frame sliders would. I use both, but I'm paranoid that way.

I'm also not too keen on the idea of metal sliders. If my bike is sliding down the highway, and the sliders are doing there job by grinding down... I wouldn't want sparks flying everywhere and possibly igniting a fuel leak.

freefall23

02-21-2008, 04:09 PM

hmm.. Im looking for the ones that will protect my farings.. If I even lay it down at a standstill I dont wanna be doing any damage.

Lucky_Devil

02-21-2008, 04:19 PM

Then Frame sliders are what you want.

Take a gander at some of these:

LSL Frame Sliders (http://www.spieglerusa.com/cfm/FrameSliders.cfm)

MotoVation Frame Sliders (http://www.motovationusa.com/2004FZ600.html#)

Uncaged Frame Sliders (http://www.uncagedcycle.com/servlet/the-YAMAHA-cln-FZ6/Categories)

Shogun Frame Sliders (http://www.1tail.com/sa/cart/detail.asp?pg=%7B4D9FE46A-2A87-4BB1-AC3C-329CBAC44FA3%7D)

FS6 Frame Sliders (http://www.fs6sliders.com/)

If you're concerned about tip-over damage, then longer ones will work better than shorter ones.

Unforgiven

02-21-2008, 08:10 PM

Frame Sliders are one of those debateable items. I know a few people that refuse to use them because they have seen them catch and throw a bike into an end over end tumble. I personally think that would be very rare. IMHO, stay away from any metal sliders. You want ones that will grind down.

I put R&G slider on Maleficents Kawakasi ZZR. I had to drill the fairing to install these but they are top quality and look nice.

I put no-cut MotoVation frame sliders on my Honda 1000RR which are very nice. I have seen plenty of post crash pictures showing how these hold up and they hold up very nicely.

As several people on here have "photo fetishes", (we won't mention any names coughDakarcough ) here are a few photos.

:singingrain:

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb102/tangman99/motorcycle/slider1.jpg

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb102/tangman99/motorcycle/Slider2.jpg

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb102/tangman99/motorcycle/Slider3.jpg

Lucky_Devil

02-21-2008, 08:13 PM

I put no-cut MotoVation frame sliders on my Honda 1000RR which are very nice. I have seen plenty of post crash pictures showing how these hold up and they hold up very nicely.

I too have seen post crash photos of MotoVation sliders, and was impressed... which is why I put them on my bike :thumbsup:

KCDakar

02-21-2008, 08:18 PM

I heard that...:devilsmile:

nice pics!:thumbsup:

freefall23

02-22-2008, 07:41 PM

Unforgiven

02-22-2008, 07:50 PM

I dont think Ive ever said this but I love you guys lol. you gave me alot of great options. Im thinking of going for the moto ones but I'll still check out the rest.. I gues the other ones are just personal preference for looks?

All the ones Lucky Devil mentioned are high quality brands. I would be leary of cheap sliders. If the bolts aren't high strength, they can just snap off causing more damage than not having them at all. There are several questions to ask yourself when buying sliders.

1. Will direct bolt sliders require me to drill my fairings?
2. If so do I mind drilling them.
3. If I don't want to drill them, do they make no-cuts (like I have on my bike)

Direct bolt on sliders are always going to be better than no-cuts that offset. However, I will say my no-cuts would be very hard to bend. As I mentioned, these have been crash tested over and over again on the 1000RR forum and they hold up.

Luna C

02-22-2008, 08:29 PM

hmm.. Im looking for the ones that will protect my farings.. If I even lay it down at a standstill I dont wanna be doing any damage.

frame sliders won't work completely...trust me, I have mucho experience :cool:. But I keep putting them on anyhow. Just in case it does someday.

Luna C

02-22-2008, 08:32 PM

these have been crash tested over and over again on the 1000RR forum and they hold up.

And have they been "tested" on the 600? I gotta get something. And cutting is out of the question, but I think the '07 600 has some no-cuts too.

Luna C

02-22-2008, 08:38 PM

I dont think Ive ever said this but I love you guys lol.

Now that's a woman forum thing!!! Sweet. :meditation:

Luna C

02-22-2008, 08:41 PM

Crap. 3 posts at once. No more beer for me..... :devil:

(WOW!!! Look at all those icons when you hit the smiley face on the quick reply!! Corney you're a genius!)

Unforgiven

02-22-2008, 11:01 PM

And have they been "tested" on the 600? I gotta get something. And cutting is out of the question, but I think the '07 600 has some no-cuts too.

I'm not sure about the 600 but I know these sliders are some of the best you can buy. The bracket are extremely strong. The bolts you see in the picture at the ones that attach the bracket the bike. The frame slider bolts are obviously much bigger.

http://www.motovationusa.com/mvstore/ProdImages/600rrFSNC_lg.jpg

http://www.motovationusa.com/mvstore/images/600rr_07NC_1.jpg

http://www.motovationusa.com/mvstore/images/600rr_07NC_2.jpg

They are not cheap but worth it. You can get a whole crash kit if you want that includes the fork and axle sliders, but I didn't get those.

Here is a link to their website.

http://www.motovationusa.com/mvstore/Scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=332

If you want a good price on them (or anything really) call Superbikesupply at 1-828-252-2280 and talk to either Brad or Mary. They are married and own the place and give good deals but you have to call them personally. The company website shows prices they are required to post and they can get anything, not just whats on the site. Just about every accessory on my bike came from there.

Eitherway, you won't find a better quality set of no-cut frame sliders anywhere.

:singingrain:

Unforgiven

02-22-2008, 11:23 PM

freefall23

02-23-2008, 03:48 AM

thats an american site isnt it? I guess the only way to find out if they ship here is to call em lol. Tomorrow hopefully :) Id like to get it all set up before spring riding.

ridingAK

02-23-2008, 11:45 AM

Do you use a drop facility in the US rather than shipping into Canada? I've been reading the thread over on ADV on the insane prices they are charging you to ship direct.

sweptwingnut

02-23-2008, 11:53 AM

Got a link to that thread rAK?

Lots have there shipments dropped at a facility just on the U.S. side of the border and then they drive down and pick them up. Depends on how close you are to the boarder.

ridingAK

02-23-2008, 11:58 AM

Here the link (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=311880&highlight=shipping) to one of the many threads on the topic.

freefall23

02-23-2008, 12:47 PM

Crap. 3 posts at once. No more beer for me..... :devil:

(WOW!!! Look at all those icons when you hit the smiley face on the quick reply!! Corney you're a genius!)

lol good to know Im not the only one :fridayparty:

freefall23

02-23-2008, 12:48 PM

oh yah!!!! my dad was telling me about a drop site. I live less than 20 mins from the US border. Hes got a buddy that does that all the time.. So it saves me mucho $$$$ hey.. I like the sounds of that :P

Unforgiven

02-23-2008, 11:51 PM

thats an american site isnt it? I guess the only way to find out if they ship here is to call em lol. Tomorrow hopefully :) Id like to get it all set up before spring riding.

Yeah, they are in Ashville, North Carolina. I'm pretty sure he ships just about anywhere. They do a lot of business. He used to own the 600RR and the 1000RR forums but recently sold them.

freefall23

02-26-2008, 02:57 PM

just a thought..has anyone had any problem with their knees bumping into the frame sliders? They look like its be a close call at times..

Lucky_Devil

02-26-2008, 04:46 PM

I've never had a problem. I tried to highlight in the photo where the edge of my leg is vs. where the frame slider is.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2399/2294064647_d8e8899e60_o.jpg

I actually use mine to stretch out my legs while riding. If I straighten my leg out and rest it on top of the slider, it's right beneath my calves. Kind of comfy actually... almost like having highway pegs :p

Unforgiven

02-26-2008, 08:29 PM

just a thought..has anyone had any problem with their knees bumping into the frame sliders? They look like its be a close call at times..

None at all. Nowhere close to them really but that could be different on other bikes.

freefall23

02-27-2008, 01:01 AM

Luna Tique

02-27-2008, 06:38 AM

Please take pictures and post them up of the sliders as you install them.

Lucky_Devil

02-27-2008, 10:07 AM

(Doesnt look too hard...wishful thinking?)

It's not hard at all. The hardest part might be getting the stock bolt out. Just remember to not over tighten the new bolt (I can check the torque spec for those specific bolts if you want, I don't remember what they were off the top of my head) as you will be installing a steel bolt into an aluminum frame. A little bit of anti-seize probably wouldn't be a bad idea...

Corny

02-27-2008, 10:57 AM

I've downed a bike on Intuitive sliders and was pleased ;)

Also a powers cage multiple times and that held up like a tank :lol

I have R&G Sliders, although never tested, they are pieces of art. I have the 4 sliders on my R1 (upper and lowers). Was planning on getting the axle sliders as they offer those as well.

I'd highly suggest looking into what R&G Offers - www.EMA-Usa.com (http://www.EMA-Usa.com) is great to buy from and they offer them as well.

sweptwingnut

02-27-2008, 01:52 PM

....Just remember to not over tighten the new bolt ....as you will be installing a steel bolt into an aluminum frame. A little bit of anti-seize probably wouldn't be a bad idea...

+1! Best advice all year.:thumbsup:

Lucky_Devil

02-27-2008, 04:38 PM

The Yamaha Service Manual lists the torque for those bolts as: 55 Nm (5.5 m.kg, 40 ft.lb) :thumbsup:

Kind of handy that we both ride the same bike :cool:

Unforgiven

02-27-2008, 07:59 PM

that actually sounds kinda comfy lol. I find long rides I wanna put my feet somewhee as well.. Love the boots by the way LD :cool:
So Im gonna go for the motovation ones then for sure.. Just gotta give em a call.. I'll keep you guys updated when they get in and installed (Doesnt look too hard...wishful thinking?)

Sometime they use red locktight which can make it difficult to remove the engine bolt. Use a high quality 6 point socket and a breaker bar and you shouldn't have any problem. If you have to use and extention, use the shortest one possible. 12 point sockets and long extentions make for rounded bolt heads.

I use blue locktight on every bolt I put back on the bike. Nothing like having a bar end come off in a group ride and go through someone's radiator behind you.

ridingAK

02-27-2008, 08:20 PM

+1 on the blue locktite. :thumbsup: Great stuff that's kept us out of trouble.

KCDakar

02-27-2008, 09:15 PM

Loctite (http://www.loctite.com/int_henkel/loctite_my/index.cfm?pageid=422) is your friend on a bike. I keep one in my tool kit...:thumbsup:

Lucky_Devil

02-27-2008, 09:31 PM

Just curious... can you use Loctite AND Anti-Seize on the same bolt? Never really thought about it before... :chin:

KCDakar

02-27-2008, 09:41 PM

Just curious... can you use Loctite AND Anti-Seize on the same bolt? Never really thought about it before... :chin:

The very short answer is No.
The Loctite works on a chemical reaction between two pieces of metal. If you put something between that it would stop the reaction.

:thumbsup:

Lucky_Devil

02-27-2008, 09:46 PM

KCDakar

02-27-2008, 10:04 PM

Very interesting http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/images/smilies/i.gif

Thanks for the info!

Follow-up question: which one is a priority? if you were choosing between the two, which one takes precedence? (or would the answer to this be application specific?)

I put Blue Loctite on every part of my bike as I work on it. (it only takes a very small amount to make it work)
I do not worry about electrolysis myself because I take my bikes apart my self and work on them so much I don't feel the need to worry. In all my years of riding I have only had a handful of trouble and they were all older barn bikes. You know the ones you find in the back of a barn that has been there for 30 years.:D Now that is trouble! On a modern bike...just don't wash it is salt water and you will be fine.:thumbsup:

KCDakar

02-27-2008, 10:12 PM

And just to add I have lived on an island and the bike was in heavy salty air conditions. And besides the surface pitting on the aluminum parts, like wheels and hubs all was well...

sweptwingnut

02-27-2008, 11:16 PM

Follow-up question: which one is a priority? if you were choosing between the two, which one takes precedence? (or would the answer to this be application specific?)

I think I see where you are coming from. Application specific is always good thinking.

Certainly, you are not going to be putting loctite on a sparkplug in an aluminum head. Nor are you going to be putting anti-seize on your kick-stand bolts....:lol The main concern in this case being that you have a steel slider bolt installed in an aluminum frame. Dissimilar metals cause corrosion. You are rightfully concerned about setting the stage for corrosion and seizure between different metals.

Like Dakar mentioned, if you take your sliders off periodically in the year and clean them up, corrosion may not be a problem. Use the loctite. On the flip, if you fail to preflight your sliders for snug bolts when you are using anti-seize, you could lose one when you need it most.

I don't think there is a right or wrong in this case. I think it depends not only on the application but more importantly on how you maintain your equipment.

Unforgiven

02-28-2008, 12:31 AM

KCDakar

02-28-2008, 10:27 AM

You know? I completely forgot about the dissimilar metal thing and me an Engineer. The Engine Bolts on the Kawasaki do not screw into the frame but into a nut on the backside of the frame, but the Honda does screw into the frame. I might have to pull those out and go with the anti-seize on those.

If it was my bike I would never put anti-seize on an engine mounting bolt. For one it will change the torque value. It can torque too tight when it is slick. Plus it was designed to be a dry fit. (I used to have a article on my old hard drive about this point. Poof it's gone!:cry1)
If I had a question about this I would contact the manufacturer about it and see what they say as over or under torquing can have serious side affects when it comes to this particular bolt...I have seen two come out. One on a race bike. And one on a street bike. Both had been anti-seized....

jm2c

Lucky_Devil

02-28-2008, 10:32 AM

If it was my bike I would never put anti-seize on an engine mounting bolt. For one it will change the torque value. It can torque too tight when it is slick. Plus it was designed to be a dry fit. (I used to have a article on my old hard drive about this point. Poof it's gone!:cry1)

But loctite is slick as well... wouldn't that pose the same risk? or no, because you use so little of it?

Corny

02-28-2008, 11:22 AM

Never had an issue with loctite blue - stuff is great. I use it in traditional drip form and the new stick form that came out a couple years ago.

A decent torque wrench helps as well ;)

KCDakar

02-28-2008, 06:21 PM

But loctite is slick as well... wouldn't that pose the same risk? or no, because you use so little of it?

I put on so very little and it is not really "slick" like the A-S is.
And like Corny said a good torque wrench is a good tool to have in the kit.:thumbsup: